Death of the PAC12 thread — and what happens to Utah

[SkinyUte]

From Wilner this morning.

Jon Wilner

I think it’s already been decided, it’s just a matter of where everyone lands.

[Jake]

I do believe that BYU and Utah remained rivals throughout the Pac 12 era. Rivals certainly don’t mean parity obviously, but much of what happened was looked at in the context of what happened to other school (and again even if there wasn’t parity and how much looking at each other occurred, it still was occurring on both sides)

While USC and UCLA’s move was not good for Univ of Utah, I think the Big 12 move will be a positive for the rivalry, especially for folks who cannot avoid it. It will become a bit less about outside the lines factors and a bit more about sports. No sane person judges a person’s intelligence or character on where they went to college.

[sweetgrass]

this gave me a glimmer of hope

ESPN 700 | 92.1

but who knows?

[Steggys_Mixtapes]

@Jake

I do believe that BYU and Utah remained rivals throughout the Pac 12 era. Rivals certainly don’t mean parity obviously, but much of what happened was looked at in the context of what happened to other school (and again even if there wasn’t parity and how much looking at each other occurred, it still was occurring on both sides)

While USC and UCLA’s move was not good for Univ of Utah, I think the Big 12 move will be a positive for the rivalry, especially for folks who cannot avoid it. It will become a bit less about outside the lines factors and a bit more about sports. No sane person judges a person’s intelligence or character on where they went to college.

I think we’re all over the rivalry here.

[LAUte]

Hey, reality is reality. For several years now Whit has been saying super-conferences are inevitable. He’s being proven right. As long as Utah is in one of them we should be happy. And we will be in one.

It just occurred to me that the Utes will have a chance to win the last Rose Bowl featuring a PAC-12 champion. Am I right? That would be a nice way to end the relationship.

[LAUte]

So Canzano says:

Oregon expects a Big 10 offer tonight. UW’s, Arizona’s, and ASU’s regents meeting tonight. The latter three will stay in the PAC if Oregon does. Listen to the entire interview. It’s fascinating.

[utefansince79]

@LAUte

Hey, reality is reality. For several years now Whit has been saying super-conferences are inevitable. He’s being proven right. As long as Utah is in one of them we should be happy. And we will be in one.

It just occurred to me that the Utes will have a chance to win the last Rose Bowl featuring a PAC-12 champion. Am I right? That would be a nice way to end the relationship.

With Pasadena hosting a semi-final, the PAC12 champ goes to the Fiesta Bowl this season (unless they find themselves in the best 4)

[SkinyUte]

@LAUte

Oregon expects a Big 10 offer tonight. UW’s, Arizona’s, and ASU’s regents meeting tonight. The latter three will stay in the PAC if Oregon does.

And Utah is doing…what?

(Maybe he says, haven’t been able to listen to the podcast)

[LAUte]

@utefansince79

With Pasadena hosting a semi-final, the PAC12 champ goes to the Fiesta Bowl this season (unless they find themselves in the best 4)

Oh, well.

[Ma-ake]

@SkinyUte

And Utah is doing…what?

One of the early reporters / X-ers on the Arizona schools X-ed out “When will Utah make their BOT meeting public?”… as though he had some knowledge, but it’s not official until a public meeting of the BOT.

[LAUte]

@SkinyUte

And Utah is doing…what?

What I heard was that Taylor Randall and Mark Harlan are being very quiet about all of this.

Canzano did say he thinks Utah is the real deal and deserves much more respect than we are getting. That’s his explanation for why the Utes are not being mentioned in all the breathless reporting that’s been going on.

[LAUte]

@Ma-ake

One of the early reporters / X-ers on the Arizona schools X-ed out “When will Utah make their BOT meeting public?”… as though he had some knowledge, but it’s not official until a public meeting of the BOT.

Maybe the requirement for 24 hours notice before a meeting has something to do with it. That said, I do think Harlan and Randall are very smart cookies. I’m confident they are paying very close attention to what’s going on and do not want to be part of the cause of breaking up the PAC-12.

[NewbombTurk]

@LAUte

I’m confident they are paying very close attention to what’s going on and do not want to be part of the cause of breaking up the PAC-12.

As long as they ARE part of the cause that gets us into a P5…whether it be B12 or a stable PAC

[Greginslc]

The only takeaway I can find from all of the “reporting” is FOX needs to be looked at for possible legal actions. Something tells me what is playing out in this game of liar’s poker may not be kosher or according to Hoyle. I know one thing for sure, I won’t watch anything televised on FOX anymore - including the Utes. FOX has earned a special place in hell over this and I hope the network goes bankrupt. Also…

Don’t look too close at those contracts these conferences signed folks. You might be in for a shock about exactly “how much” these teams are actually getting. If advertising, and eyeballs on screens don’t come in big enough, the reductions on the payouts could be pretty ugly. Again, no one is talking about the expenses of travel - especially in the non revenue sports, and the possible impacts to those programs.

This is a mess. A giant festering mess. People got greedy, pulled out a nuclear-tipped cruise missile, and blew the whole thing to hell. It will operate for a few years, then it will totally collapse under the weight of indifference to the product and content. Five gambling degenerates and a handful of cult-level fans won’t keep college athletics afloat on TV; and in the end, these publicly funded universities will have to explain to the taxpayers why they need a financial bailout.

[LAUte]

@NewbombTurk

As long as they ARE part of the cause that gets us into a P5…whether it be B12 or a stable PAC

[LAUte]

@Greginslc

This is a mess. A giant festering mess. People got greedy, pulled out a nuclear-tipped cruise missile, and blew the whole thing to hell.

YEP.

[Swanton]

@Greginslc

…k about exactly “how much” these teams are actually getting. If advertising, and eyeballs on screens don’t come in big enough, the reductions on the payouts could be pretty ugly. Again, no one is talking about the expenses of travel - especially in the non revenue sports, and the possible impacts to those programs.This is a mess. A giant festering mess. People got greedy, pulled out a nuclear-tipped cruise missile, and blew the whole thing to hell. It will operate for a few years, then it will totally collapse under the weight of indifference to the product and content. Five gambling degenerates and a handful of cult-level fans won’t keep college athletics afloat on TV; and in the end, these publicly funded universities will have to explain to the taxpayers why they need a financial bailout.

Isn’t FOX owned by Disney/ESPN?

[330ute]

@Jake

I do believe that BYU and Utah remained rivals throughout the Pac 12 era. Rivals certainly don’t mean parity obviously, but much of what happened was looked at in the context of what happened to other school (and again even if there wasn’t parity and how much looking at each other occurred, it still was occurring on both sides)

While USC and UCLA’s move was not good for Univ of Utah, I think the Big 12 move will be a positive for the rivalry, especially for folks who cannot avoid it. It will become a bit less about outside the lines factors and a bit more about sports. No sane person judges a person’s intelligence or character on where they went to college.

Unless they attended the esteemed Trump University, home of The Fighting Bone Spurs

[Ma-ake]

Fox Sports (Fox) and ESPN are indeed owned by the same parent company, Disney.

Wowser.

[justaute]

I think it depends on which Fox Sports entity because of a couple of transactions.