COVID-19 Discussion (No Politics)

Still not true. Just quit lying about what I posted, please.

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Interesting information here. My father was actually alive at this time — he was five years old. He had already survived cerebral meningitis as a baby, and I wonder what my grandmother thought about how this epidemic it might affect her little boy.

A couple of things about COVID-19.

1- It’s highly contagious. The early numbers seem to bear that concern is real.

2- There is no vaccination for it. Unlike the flu and a number of other highly contagious diseases, we have no way to immunize the public - especially the at-risk populations, from getting the disease. The spread will be the spread, however big it may get.

This is what is driving the scare. I will let the old Army NBC guys quote the “Pathogen Playbook” here for trying to control the spread. This really is a numbers game and the fewer people that get exposed, especially the at-risk, the lower the disability and mortality rates will be.

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Another attribute is incubation for CorVid19 is between 2 to 14 days (one report said up to 27 days). During this period, no symptoms are manifest in the carrier. That means all who are in contact with the carrier, unwittingly, may be infected and also capable of spreading the virus.

That attribute could cause widespread suspicion.

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National Guard called in to contain virus outbreak in New Rochelle, NY

That’s probably a more accurate comparison than not. Virtually all of the reported COVID 19 cases are “treated”, while the vast majority included in the more inclusive flu stats are not. Still I will admit it’s early in the process for COVID 19 so the numbers will change Almost every day new information comes out.

This is an interesting epidemiological study. For example why the hot spot in Italy? Most of the US exposures can be followed, but why the cases in Washington?

Some concerning points. The ability for the virus to display no symptoms and the host to remain an active vector is interesting. Also not sure how accurate the test is. It appears like there are some false positives and at least one case where an individual tested negative and was released only to test positive later.

If you are in a high risk group you might want to consider adding some zinc and selenium to you regime. Those are active ingredients in prophylaxis treatments like airborne (my wife and I use that while travelling and it seems to help). Also one report I read suggest one reason the province in China was hit so hard was the area was selenium deficient.

One physician also suggested added some T cell boosters like Holy Basil (Dr. Oz. Suggested elderberry extract)

“Dr” Oz is a quack and anybody that follows his advice needs an evaluation themselves

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No feces! How many bogus diet pills or supplements does he have to endorse before he vanishes from the airwaves and public view.

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927 cases and 29 deaths in US. New cases have doubled since Sunday.

In Italy number of cases went from 100 to 10,000 in 16 days

On a sports note, the NCAA has to be considering some fan-less options for March Madness

Not really a militarily significant pathogen.

  1. Not virulent enough.
  2. Too much variability in infectious routes.
  3. Seems to target the wrong segment of the population. Better left to the civilian side.
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Hence the reason I qualified the source. There is some clinical evidence for Zinc and Selenium promoting immune systems. The Basil recommendation came from a local Dr. In an article. I certainly wouldn’t substitute these supplements for actual treatment, but if your looking for a proactive step, probably better than buying a pallet of water or cases of toilet paper.

I’m sure our military can “work” on its DNA.

They have studied the related viruses of Sars and Mers, more on the clinical side.

It seems that the concern is this disease is contagious before people are symptomatic (maybe for days) and then, even when they’re symptomatic, it may not stop them from what they need to do (or want to do).
I believe with both MERS and SARS and certainly the flu… all one wants to do is go home and go to bed. COVID19 seems to be so much more insidious. I fear that the numbers are going to be pretty overwhelming pretty quickly.
For the first time in our lives, it might come down to the ratio of available beds for the 20% who absolutely need a hospital bed, or even worse, a ventilator.
I believe that’s what’s occurring in Italy right now.
This is just for discussion. I certainly would love to be wrong about this. But I think we can all agree now that it’s not “a hoax.”

Also the old saw: “you can’t manage what you can’t measure.” We need to test anyone with symptoms. We need to test people who are asymptomatic but in emerging or hot zones. We need to keep testing people until we have an actual calculation of the penetration, spread and mortality.

Meanwhile, what’s up with buying toilet paper in this state? Holy crap!

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As of about 10 days ago, one South Korean company had more tests created than the US possessed overall - they jumped all over this. The NY Times had an excellent edition of their Podcast “The Daily” that described a big part of the problem in China is Communist Party appointed local public health officials who were reluctant to fully report cases, as it didn’t look good. This spun out of control quickly and brought China’s economy to a halt, in Hunan, at least. Trying to protect the government with under reported data blew up in their faces. (They’ve since taken extreme measures to halt the outbreak.)

North Korea may not have any cases because their country and economy are already essentially “quarantined”.

I don’t know what the situation was in Italy, but their genetics are pretty distinct from the Chinese population, to the extent population genetics vary and are applicable with this disease. African countries would seem to be vulnerable, as they have underdeveloped public health programs, and in many areas, poor hygiene. It remains to be seen, but if they avoid it, maybe something unique in the “African genome” - such as near zero amounts of Neanderthal DNA - is somehow a factor.

At the U we’re taking very aggressive steps to avoid an outbreak - all official travel is cancelled, and even personal travel outside the state is discouraged. Stanford ended their semester early, as did UW (obviously) and some other schools in the NW.

Hang on.

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This is the best piece I’ve seen on why we all need to take this threat seriously. Not panic, not be frenzied about it, but we all have to do what we can.

Excerpt:

There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.

Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”

The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there.

When a danger is growing exponentially, everything looks fine until it doesn’t

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/10/coronavirus-what-matters-isnt-what-you-can-see-what-you-cant/

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Call me a sucker if you want, but I’m a believer in zinc and it is part of a regimen that I’ve been using for years, and haven’t been really sick in as long as I can remember. I interact with somewhere between 20 and 70 different people on a daily basis from a workforce of around 200. Knock on wood, but since I’ve been here, just about everybody here has been out sick at least for a day or two. Often I have people who are symptomatic in my office, and I get on their case for coming to work sick. But I don’t get sick.

Not that you care, but here is my regimen. Every morning I take a packet of Emergency-C along with a glass of Metamucil and some vitamins (folic acid, vitamin D, & multivitamin). Every night I have 2 to 3 cocktails, either whiskey or tequila on the rocks. And if I ever get a hint of illness, like runny nose or tickle in the throat, I start hammering Zicam, probably couple gummies and nasal swabs, for a day or two. These days I also run regularly, but if I start to feel anything that seems like symptoms, I make sure to get my run in so that I ‘sweat it out’.

Placebo? maybe but I don’t get sick and I like it that way.

We’ve noticed a marked decrease in the number and severity of illness since we’ve started using those minerals before travel or when one of us starts showing symptoms. I did some research and found supporting studies for both zinc and selenium.