This last game is a symbol of the entire K3 era

[LAUte]

@sancho

Can we get back to mocking Utah boys’ names? I’m here for that.

I never met any Utah boy named Sancho.

[The_Jim_Fassel_Era]

@RockerUte

All of this being said, when you pay a coach a top 25 salary, you expect them to be a top 25 coach on a regular basis. If you are going to Ruth’s Chris and they are serving you Sizzler caliber steak and saying to you, “Hey, it’s better than Denny’s” you are still going to be ticked because you paid some coin to get the best.

Another way to put it, we get the ROI we need with Whittingham, we definitely don’t with Larry.

Whittingham is the 2nd highest paid coach in the PAC 12. We are not a top PAC 12 football program, we are behind Oregon, Washington, USC, ASU, and Stanford.

However if you look at the NFL players from Utah high schools, we have an extraordinary amount of NFL talent here and no other P5 school competing against us for recruiting in our state. It’s not just Whittingham putting local kids in the NFL, everyone is. As a matter of fact there are more non-Ute local players in the NFL right now than Ute players, which is unacceptable.

Larry got a high salary in the same way a doctor gets recruited to Rock Springs, WY and gets paid much more than he/she would in Salt Lake. Basketball coaches don’t want to come here, there’s no local basketball talent in Utah, the fans don’t attend games, yet we think we are Duke and entitled to go to the NCAA every year.

And white parents here name their kids Rad, Talon, Cutter, Gunner, etc. The parents who stick to traditional names have children who excel at football, but not often basketball.

[The_Jim_Fassel_Era]

@ironman1315

We have Kyle at 59% (almost 60) in the PAC-12 era and Larry at 57%. Kyle is still better.

We have folks literally demanding a statue of Kyle and immediate firing of Larry and the argument is…59% vs 57%

You’re being very inconsistent with your assessment of the two coaches and the above argument clearly supports this.

What gives? What’s the bias here??

[ironman1315]

@The_Jim_Fassel_Era

Whittingham is the 2nd highest paid coach in the PAC 12. We are not a top PAC 12 football program, we are behind Oregon, Washington, USC, ASU, and Stanford.

This presumes that you know the numbers for SC and Stanford. Which we don’t.

He’s actually fourth highest paid.

[NewbombTurk]

@sancho

Can we get back to mocking Utah boys’ names? I’m here for that.

One of the dumbest is Newbomb.

[ironman1315]

@The_Jim_Fassel_Era

We have folks literally demanding a statue of Kyle and immediate firing of Larry and the argument is…59% vs 57%

You’re being very inconsistent with your assessment of the two coaches and the above argument clearly supports this.

What gives? What’s the bias here??

Lol. Kyle is demonstrably better. Give Larry an extra two percent and he’s in the tourney more often than not. Two percentage points is a pretty big difference my guy.

[The_Jim_Fassel_Era]

@ironman1315

This presumes that you know the numbers for SC and Stanford. Which we don’t.

He’s actually fourth highest paid.

How the Pac-12 coaches' salaries stack up in 2020

Couple coaches got well deserved raises since October.

[arizonaute]

@The_Jim_Fassel_Era

We have folks literally demanding a statue of Kyle and immediate firing of Larry and the argument is…59% vs 57%

You’re being very inconsistent with your assessment of the two coaches and the above argument clearly supports this.

What gives? What’s the bias here??

this is a solid fishing expedition. Not your best but your are giving it a huge try. kudos

[NewbombTurk]

@RockerUte

It’s kind of the sizzler of trolling attempts.

So…a reasonable salad bar, but skip the steak and get the malibu chicken?

[sweetgrass]

I struggle with my personal expectations of Utah basketball. Especially when I see sources rank them as one of the top 25 basketball programs historically.

The Greatest College Basketball Programs Ever: Ranking the top teams of all time

Clearly, Utah was a top 10-15 program under Majerus (when I was a student), and a top 25 program under Pimm and Gardner. But that’s only comprises 40 of the last 80 years. The other half of those 80 years were mediocre to dreadful.

I cringe when I make this comparison, but Utah basketball reminds me a lot of UNLV basketball. Both programs were incredible during tenures of 2-3 coaches, and incredibly average otherwise (UNLV - Tarkanian, Kruger, Gregory).

Over the years I’ve slowly realized that the Majerus years were magical and probably a once in a lifetime experience for most of us of a certain age. But I’d love to have a few years that mirror Pimm success over a decade. Larry ain’t bringing us that.

[The_Jim_Fassel_Era]

Tom Chambers and Dan Vranes ain’t walking through that door. You got Nico, Treyton, Ryder, Duncan, Jackson, Jaxon, Jaxton, et al at the door.

[UteBrave]

Nothing wrong with Nico but yeah, the Jaxon Jackson Jaughkshauns are played out.

[LAUte]

@sweetgrass

Both programs were incredible during tenures of 2-3 coaches, and incredibly average otherwise (UNLV - Tarkanian, Kruger, Gregory).

Lon Kruger almost came to Utah after Majerus left. What might have been…

[NewbombTurk]

@LAUte

Lon Kruger almost came to Utah after Majerus left. What might have been…

How did that not happen? Was this part of the Mark Few convinced us that Giacoletti was a great coach ploy?

[Ute_In_Texas]

IIRC Majerus quit in mid-season. At the time, the Utes were making an ultimately successful tournament run with Kerry Rupp as interim coach. The Utes didn’t want to cause team turmoil and fire Rupp to hire Krueger (or anyone else) in the middle of that season. The UNLV job opened up at around the same time, and Krueger took it. He didn’t want to wait until the end of the season for a chance at the Utah job.

[LAUte]

@NewbombTurk

@LAUte

Lon Kruger almost came to Utah after Majerus left. What might have been…

How did that not happen? Was this part of the Mark Few convinced us that Giacoletti was a great coach ploy?

Kruger went to UNLV for more money. He also claimed he didn’t want to be in a cold winter climate. Who knows whether or not to believe that?

[UteBrave]

Chris Hill didn’t hire Dana Altman because Altman wanted a 10 year contract and Hill wouldn’t go for it.

[LAUte]

@Ute_In_Texas

The Utes didn’t want to cause team turmoil and fire Rupp to hire Krueger (or anyone else) in the middle of that season.

If so, that is too bad. Chris Hill told me that Rupp was never going to get the head coaching job at Utah. The period after Majerus left was kind of crazy, and I don’t believe people were doing their best thinking. So what you say is certainly plausible.

I am second to no one in my love for Big Rick. A signed pen and ink drawing of him hangs in my office. Still, I think the way he left the program was tragic and damaging.