The Utes vs. West Virginia Thread: Will the boys be able to recover their confidence?

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First, here’s some background that I unexpectedly found very interesting.

As a guy who’s lived in the west for my entire life, I was always felt familiarity with our opponents in the WAC, the MWC, and the PAC-12. Those are places known to me to one extent or another, especially the California schools, and places like Wyoming, New Mexico, Fort Collins, and even West Texas (plus the one a little bit south of us in Utah).

So in a bit of curiosity, I went to AI to learn more about Morgantown. To my surprise what I found made me understand more about tomorrow’s opponent. So here is what I learned from ChatGPT about Morgantown, and also about the state of West Virginia.

Morgantown: Early Settlement

• Morgantown traces its roots back to 1772, when Colonel Zackquill Morgan established a settlement along the Monongahela River. [Zackquill! Now there’s a name. Too bad my sons were born and named quite a while ago.]

• The area was attractive because of its fertile soil, waterways, and its position along early frontier routes.

• It was officially incorporated as a town in 1785 and later as a city in 1901.

Growth Around the University

• The Morgantown Male and Female Academy was founded in the early 1800s, paving the way for higher education.

• In 1867, the newly created state of West Virginia established West Virginia University in Morgantown as its land-grant institution under the Morrill Act.

• WVU quickly became the focal point of the city’s identity, driving population growth, cultural life, and the economy.

Industrial and Economic Development

• In the 19th and early 20th centuries, Morgantown benefitted from coal mining, glass manufacturing, and river transport.

• The arrival of the railroad further boosted industry.

• Over time, the city shifted from being an industrial hub to an education-, healthcare-, and technology-driven economy, with WVU’s research centers and hospitals at the core.

Modern Morgantown

• Today, Morgantown is one of the fastest-growing areas in West Virginia, largely due to WVU and associated industries.

• It’s known for a vibrant college-town atmosphere, sports (especially Mountaineer football and basketball), and a strong sense of state pride.

The Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) **system, a unique automated people mover built in the 1970s, connects campus and parts of the city—one of the only systems of its kind in the world.

West Virginia

[The Civil War fascinates me, so I’m going to share what I learned about how West VA got away from Virginia.]

Background

When the Civil War began in 1861, Virginia voted to secede from the Union and join the Confederacy. But the western part of Virginia — mountainous, less dependent on slavery, and with closer economic and cultural ties to Pennsylvania and Ohio — had very different views. Many people there strongly opposed secession.

The Wheeling Conventions

• In May 1861, delegates from northwestern Virginia met at the First Wheeling Convention. They declared the Richmond government (the Confederate Virginia government) illegitimate.

• A Second Wheeling Convention followed in June, establishing the Restored Government of Virginia, loyal to the Union, with its capital at Wheeling.

Formation of West Virginia

• Leaders from these counties began pushing for separation from Virginia.

• Congress debated the issue, since the U.S. Constitution says no new state can be carved out of an existing one without that state’s consent.

• Technically, the “Restored Government of Virginia” (Unionist) gave that consent — even though the Confederate Virginia government in Richmond would never have agreed.

• In December 1862, President Abraham Lincoln signed the statehood bill. On June 20, 1863, West Virginia officially became the 35th state in the Union.

Key Point

So yes — West Virginia was born because citizens in the western counties of Virginia did not want to secede from the Union. They set up a loyalist government, and from that basis, Congress admitted West Virginia as a new state.

[Lincoln, of course, was delighted.]

Lincoln’s Dilemma

The U.S. Constitution says:

“no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State… without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”** **(Article IV, Section 3)

The trouble was:

• The legislature of Virginia in Richmond had voted to secede and join the Confederacy.

• The Unionist “Restored Government of Virginia” in Wheeling claimed to be the legitimate government of all Virginia. That body gave “consent” for West Virginia to separate.

So the question for Lincoln was:** **Did that count?

Lincoln’s Reasoning

Lincoln admitted it was a stretch constitutionally, but he justified it in two ways:

  1. Practical necessity

• These western counties were loyal to the Union. Denying them statehood would punish loyal citizens while rewarding rebels.

• He saw it as an urgent wartime measure, not a peacetime precedent.

  1. Consent — in a technical sense

• The “Restored Government of Virginia” was recognized by the Union as the** legitimate **government of Virginia. Therefore, its consent (though representing only a portion of Virginians) was legally valid.

Lincoln even wrote:

“The division of a State is dreaded as a precedent. But a measure made expedient by war is no precedent for times of peace.”

Congressional Role

• Congress also had debates, with some members objecting that this violated the Constitution.

• Ultimately, Lincoln signed the bill on December 31, 1862, allowing West Virginia to enter the Union in June 1863.

Legacy

• Critics called it unconstitutional.

• But because Lincoln cast it as a wartime, exceptional measure, it held.

• After the war, the Supreme Court in Virginia v. West Virginia (1871) upheld the legality of West Virginia’s existence.

So we’re playing in a place with some fascinating history. Go Utes!

As I stare out the window of my room at the Marriott in Morgantown, looking out over the Monongehala and the city, I ponder all the interesting historical items you have posted and have one thing to say…

Go Utes!!

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The only history I want from Morgantown is a Utes win.

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Maybe this is just me, butI it adds to my enjoyment of the game when you understand who your opponent is, their traditions, and so forth.

Yes, the West Virginia football team is officially called the West Virginia Mountaineers. The name is a fitting tribute to the state’s identity as the only one wholly located within the Appalachian Mountains, a nickname the university officially adopted in 1915.

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I apologize for my earlier snarkiness. I did not mean to demean your efforts to educate and enlighten. I appreciated the history you posted.

On my third visit now to Morgantown watching various Utah teams and starting to know my way around town a little. I am 0-2 so far on visits.

One thing to say is that WVU has a very large and loyal and loud fanbase. I happened to be in Cooperstown on Thursday and spent Friday driving to Morgantown. The closer I got the more vehicles going the same direction as me increased with WV stickers and plates. They are very similar to eastern BIG10 teams and northern ACC teams and they were in danger of becoming Oregon State or Washington State and were fortunate to get a BigXII invite like us. Very similar boats we are in.

They draw fans from all over the area, lots of them in Pittsburgh, DC, and other larger areas around. My boss is a WVU grad, for instance.

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