PAC-12, Big 10, and ACC uniting against SEC

[BamaFanNKY]

@LAUte

It’s interesting to me that an Alabama fan, died in the wool and as avid as can be, and also a worshipful SEC fan, seems to believe that people who are fans of a PAC-12 school care about his constant criticisms of the PAC-12.

Weird. I’ve stated many times I do not like the SEC and love the PAC 12. I grew up playing football with guys who played in the PAC and stayed in conference. I’m tired of hearing that “the west doesn’t play football” meanwhile everyone runs out west to get elite players. You continue to try to typecast me as an SEC homer. I don’t like the SEC, I don’t like SEC fans, and I don’t even like Alabama Fans.

The funny thing is I was replying to Sancho and y’all made it bigger than it was. Both he and I have discussed a talent drain before. Yet, y’all act like I said your Momma’s were ugly by stating a fact.

LA Ute, you don’t want me to post. That is it. You get mad at all of my posts. Probably mad I watched Mare of Easttown and posted about it.

I get it. I’ll self suspend myself. I may see y’all in a few months since my opinions hurt too many feelings.

@sweetgrass

this must make your nipples so hard. Congrats on being better than us and letting us know.

Talking football is not your strong suit. Basically you make racist comments or insults.

[ChadSexington]

I enjoy reading Bamafan’s point of view. I think he adds to the discussion. Sometimes I agree with him, and sometimes I don’t. Either way, I enjoy our discussions.

[Ma-ake]

My recollection of JT Daniels is he’s a bit undersized, then got hurt. I wasn’t that impressed by him, to be honest, and wasn’t surprised when he transferred out, out of the PAC geographical area where he’d have to play USC every year.

We got a SEC QB last year, a 4 year starter at South Carolina, and I think everyone was stunned at his serious lack of accuracy. Is SC worse than a G5 school?

Everyone in the PAC territory knows the PAC needs to step up and be more competitive out of conference, and hopefully the Alliance scheduling helps accomplish that, over time.

We’ve had local kids recruited to the SEC, B1G and Big-12, as well as PAC schools. Sometimes they work out as advertised, sometimes they come back to Utah and more often than not in that scenario they’ve been a disappointment, were overhyped in their original recruiting out of HS.

(Generally, some kids want to stay close to home, some want to explore another part of the country. Ute fans who thought great players here would automatically want to stay home because we’re now in the PAC have learned… sometimes kids just want to get away from home.)

Utah has done really well recruiting players out of California, Texas, and more recently, Florida, probably putting some SEC and other conference recruiters under fire for how they let players now in the NFL escape to Utah(!).

Based on how our SEC QB 4 year starter did last year, I would have a hard time believing SEC coaches waved Tyler Huntley and Zack Moss on through, they didn’t meet SEC talent standards.

[LAUte]

@BamaFanNKY

LA Ute, you don’t want me to post. That is it. You get mad at all of my posts.

Not so. I like many of your posts. I just don’t care a bit about Alabama and the SEC and I get tired of reading about them on a Utah board. I think it’s a bit strange, frankly. So I usually ignore your posts about those subjects, but now and then I am moved to respond.

[applejack]

This discussion of dominant conference is so blasé. Who cheers for the conference? Frankly I could not care less if a QB from California goes to Alabama—if anything, I’m glad he’s there and not usc.

[Heike]

Bamafan,

Don’t go away mad. Many of your posts are quite good, and your presence on this board enhances it. No one wants this board to be an echo chamber. Just my 2 cents…

[LAUte]

I hope Bama stays. He’s a Dodgers fan.

[redrumu]

@BamaFanNKY

Saw this this morning and it reminded me of your comment.

I understand JT started at SC but the PAC 12 has to stop the talent drain. One from South LA and another from Irvine.

Bama can stay, but two things

1. An SEC fan trying to talk about Quarterbacks and using J.T. Daniels as an example and lifting him up as a Heisman hopeful and example of the SEC having top tier QB talent…

Come on man… that’s just too much. You don’t even want me to touch this topic because I’ll just make you look sillier than you are.

2. Once again, the SEC ain’t all that, man. Outside of Alabama, who’s supposedly the world beater that no one else can touch? The SEC hype machine is crazy. I will give them this, with adding Oklahoma and Texas they have a better chance of having a a world beater team in the #1 spot just because of the big brands involved. But I’ll ask again, what’s been so great about Florida, A&M, and Georgia (these are the teams that have finished second and third in recent years)? LSU had a great team, but that’s it. The entire conference literally lifts itself off of Alabama’s hype and chants SEC SEC SEC. Really they should just all start chanting Roll Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide, because without Alabama they’re not heads and shoulders above the other conferences.

[BamaFanNKY]

@redrumu

An SEC fan trying to talk about Quarterbacks and using J.T. Daniels as an example and lifting him up as a Heisman hopeful and example of the SEC having top tier QB talent…

You like to focus on one guy. The point was that the Pac 12 is having a talent drain. Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have starting QBs that played HS football within 40 miles of each other. Georgia (Irvine), Alabama (Pasadena), Clemson (Bellflower), and Ohio State (Rancho Cucamonga). Pac 12 is sleeping on the job. Also, this isn’t about the SEC. This thread is about the Pac 12. The SEC is winning as well as the ACC and Ohio State with Pac 12 kids. It’s easy to build a strawman to win an argument and ignore the actual convo.

@redrumu

Come on man… that’s just too much. You don’t even want me to touch this topic because I’ll just make you look sillier than you are.

A topic you are creating no one was talking about. Pac 12 footprint talent drain is a real thing. Look at Tua (Hawaii trad Pac 12 recruiting) and Najee Harris. Those guys in the 1990s don’t end up in the South.

@redrumu

Once again, the SEC ain’t all that, man. Outside of Alabama, who’s supposedly the world beater that no one else can touch? The SEC hype machine is crazy. I will give them this, with adding Oklahoma and Texas they have a better chance of having a a world beater team in the #1 spot just because of the big brands involved. But I’ll ask again, what’s been so great about Florida, A&M, and Georgia (these are the teams that have finished second and third in recent years)? LSU had a great team, but that’s it. The entire conference literally lifts itself off of Alabama’s hype and chants SEC SEC SEC. Really they should just all start chanting Roll Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide, because without Alabama they’re not heads and shoulders above the other conferences.

I am baffled how you guys don’t understand this thread is about the Pac 12. I am not sitting here being a conference guy. You’re right, the dumb-■■■ SEC fans lean hard on Alabama winning 6 of the last 12 titles. But, let’s not forget the SEC had three teams win a title in 10-year span. From 2007-2010 it was 4 different teams. Also, to crap on Georgia is funny because they’ve made it to the Playoff title game. So, saving the SEC 'aint all that" is making you look sillier than you are. It’s funny because without Alabama’s titles they have 2 teams that won a title in the last decade. Only the ACC did that. The Big 1G has to go back to Bill Clinton to have two teams who won a title.

But again, that’s not the topic. I know my handle says “Bama” but that’s not the topic. Y’all would rather ignore the actual shortcomings and blame some boogie man like “SEC Hype” as to why If the SEC is not “all that” then no one will ever be.

Again, I think you guys are in your feelings about something so I am stepping away for a bit. Maybe not as long as I was planning. Thanks to those who messaged me. I do appreciate the board. I stuck around since 2008 when many of the same people said “After Utah wins you’ll disappear” and I promised I would come back. I’m more stubborn about keeping my word than most. It’s my Inland Empire roots.

[Ma-ake]

Bama makes a valid argument, but it’s a bit overblown, IMO.

Argument: SoCal and even NorCal are vast recruiting territories for all kinds of schools, and besides USC - who seem to get whoever they want - too many elite players are leaving for name programs back east.

I don’t think it’s a serious problem, there’s no way to keep all the 4 star and 5 star players from Cali in the PAC. That’s impossible, there aren’t enough scholies.

To demonstrate my point, look at this phenomenon by looking at baseball.

• There have been 51 MLB players from the State of Utah (cold weather state, not a baseball hotbed.)
• Warm weather Kentucky has had 347
• Dominican Republic - 816
• Texas has had 1196
• California has had 2370

It seems like every single MLB team has an All-star level player who’s from California. They can’t all play for the Dodgers, Padres, Giants and A’s.

Category:American baseball players by state - Wikipedia

Utah’s FB recruiting 15 years ago was 45% from Utah, 30% from California. 20% from Hawaii with the Poly Pipeline, and a grab-bag of players from elsewhere.

Now we still recruit Utah - but certainly don’t get all of best, forget that - along with California, Texas, Hawai’i, Florida, Georgia, etc. Tavion Thomas is from Ohio. Bam is from London, Yazmin is from Sydney, Australia.

CFB recruiting for the upper 40% of P5 schools is increasingly coast-to-coast, and even international, like our punter pipeline to Australia.

That California players end up all over the nation should surprise nobody.

Do I accept that the PAC needs to do better against other conferences and find a way to be successful getting to the CFP? Absolutely, we all agree with this.

Part of the issue is a bias of east coast eyeballs, who don’t stay up late enough to watch PAC games. How else do you explain Oklahoma getting to the CFP so many times, and getting demolished over & over again?

[NewbombTurk]

@Ma-ake

That California players end up all over the nation should surprise nobody.

Exactly. Recruiting is a national game. And there’s no way we can keep all the top California players in the west. Just like the SEC can’t keep all the Florida players. Or the Big 12 can’t keep all the Texas players.

[Carolina_Cycling_Ute]

@Ma-ake

Part of the issue is a bias of east coast eyeballs, who don’t stay up late enough to watch PAC games. How else do you explain Oklahoma getting to the CFP so many times, and getting demolished over & over again?

I’ll definitely have to agree to this. If it weren’t for our Utes, I wouldn’t stay up to watch PAC football, it’s just too late for us anymore. We have a reason to stay up, and it’s purely Utah, not the rest of the PAC. We don’t do it for basketball, way too many late starts and more games played.

Just tossing this PoV in from someone living on the East Coast.

edit to remove a quote that I didn’t need

[applejack]

@sancho

But we used to, and that’s the problem. Polynesian players didn’t start going to the SEC until recently. Manti Teo going to Notre Dane was unusual…now it’s commonplace.

Utah has never had four and five star players…this isn’t our problem. This is USCs problem. They need to lock down the western stars or they need to get good at raiding Texas and the south. But even in the midst of a downswing, USC is recruiting very well. They have other issues…they’ve made three consecutive coaching hires as if they were Indiana or Arizona State instead of freaking USC. And all this benefits Utah even if it hurts the Pac-12 as a brand.

Yup. Let Bamafan bemoan the Pac’s lack of retaining in-state talent. For Utah it is a net positive.

One day USC will awaken to the fact that their coach is a mediocre MWC coach. I’m not looking forward to that day.

[applejack]

@Carolina_Cycling_Ute

I’ll definitely have to agree to this. If it weren’t for our Utes, I wouldn’t stay up to watch PAC football, it’s just too late for us anymore. We have a reason to stay up, and it’s purely Utah, not the rest of the PAC. We don’t do it for basketball, way too many late starts and more games played.

Just tossing this PoV in from someone living on the East Coast.

edit to remove a quote that I didn’t need

Amen. Last night was the only game that kicked off at a reasonable hour–and then the 3 hour first half happened.

[applejack]

@RockerUte

A question for those watching on TV from those attending the game like me - what episode of Harry Potter did they show when the lightning delay hit?

Enjoy Covid!

[sweetgrass]

@RockerUte

A question for those watching on TV from those attending the game like me - what episode of Harry Potter did they show when the lightning delay hit?

I’m not super knowledgeable of this series, but I think it was > Nick Emery and the Chamber of Secrets

I’m already in rivalry mode

[chrisrenrut]

@RockerUte

Man, I make a joke about BYU and dance cards and only Newbomb gets it or cares, I make a joke about the Wyoming game delay years ago and nobody gets it or cares.

I’m out here slugging it out of the park and nobody is appreciating it. You’ll all be sorry when I’m gone.

Oh we got it. Blooper singles at best.

And I am fortunate or unfortunate enough to to say I was at both delayed games in person. The Wyoming delay was much worse due to the cold, and well, you know, being in Laramie.

[applejack]

@RockerUte

Man, I make a joke about BYU and dance cards and only Newbomb gets it or cares, I make a joke about the Wyoming game delay years ago and nobody gets it or cares.

I’m out here slugging it out of the park and nobody is appreciating it. You’ll all be sorry when I’m gone.

Dance cards? Old Wyoming games? Tell us your real age…

[Greginslc]

The entire state of Wyoming wiped out their grid to avoid playing the Utes…

Ok their stadium is an ancient piece of crap with substandard systems.

[NewbombTurk]

@RockerUte

87 years young, thank you very much.

Whippersnapper. Get off my lawn.