We’re just getting notification that there’s gonna be a public meeting about a plan
For MHTN Architecture and design partnering with the Milkcreek powers that be coming in and basically developing something between eight hundred east hand one thousand east along 3300rd.
Anyone know? Anything about this company or heard anything about what they might be taking down and putting up?
It’s disconcerting as the new town hall in Millcreek is a seven story structure just obliterating the view of the mountains from Harmons andther parts in the neighborhood. I do like the Millcreek center with the rink and all but don’t know why they couldn’t keep things 23 stories while maintaining the view.
Guess, we’ll have to see what’s going on…
Not sure all of that space needs it but the basically abandoned strip mall on the corner of 13th and 3300 sure could use it. Get rid of that damn payday loan center. Will be interesting to see what is proposed I guess…possibly. I do like the new Millcreek town center…not as big a fan of the giant apartments still unfinished and shoved up against 13th there on the back side though.
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Millcreek would be wise to look closely at what has happened in the heart of Sugar House and the problems they’ve created for themselves. High density has lead to massive infrastructure and traffic problems.
I’m right in the middle of Sugar House and Millcreek, so don’t have much say in either but have been impacted by all of this. Traffic in the area is getting out of control, and there are no plans to fix roads, just keep building.
Developers love the 5 story buildings because they don’t require steel to build them and can go up pretty fast. Expect to see lots of that in the area.
My biggest beef however is that higher density housing is a solution to the housing crisis, but most of the stuff is higher-end pricing, meaning it isn’t really solving the problem for starter homes at all. $800-900k for a condo? Yeah… we need better planning.
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I don’t know about the project on 33rd South, but MHTN has been around for quite sometime designing commercial spaces in Utah. If memory serves, I think they’ve done work on the Utah campus.
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Us too-except the height of the structure (7 stories). That sets the tone for future developers. I distinctly remember the day we went around the corner to Harmon’s and my wife and I were dancing like gypsies with the view of the Wasatch.
Stunningly beautiful views in Millcreek, not ever available in Sugar House. Many small homes with backyards that are placid and transcendent. Now our neighborhood has hundreds of cars a day going 50 mph to shave time at the lights on 33rd. It’s really become a problem in the last 5 years. People shifting up to 3rd gear only to slam their brakes for and S turn at the inevitable end of the street. We want speed-bumps, but the town is recalcitrant. 90% of these offenders do not live on our streets; just cutting through a walking neighborhood (because of the stunning views) packed with moms’ in strollers, toddlers on bikes and elderly folks who have lived here for 50+ years
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We live on a cut through street and it gets to be tiring, especially with teenagers pushing 40 mph in a 25.
A couple of neighbors have put out those neon green turtles with flags, but that doesn’t make a difference.
A good 2 handed basketball pass into the side of a car might prompt some reflection.
An instant deployment of a speed bump of 4+ inches if the coming car is doing 35 would also be good… then neighbors could come out and try to sell a package deal on alignments when they hear the teenagers swearing.
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I wish it was teenagers going 40. Some of these folks are 50 going 50.
Speed bumps change behavior of selfish people. No one in our neighborhood is opposed to them. Basketball passes and accidental hose spraying might get us sued.
Believe me, I thought about it. when you hear them tearing down the street like it’s the Brickyard 500
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They put speed bumps on 2700 then reversed and just put flat brick things in so the trucks are still shooting down or at 55. It’s so infuriating. Then again don’t get me going on all the loose rocks and sod they installed along 13th while telling everyone to stop watering. I need to move…to a new state
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Clint Eastwood would be at home in this thread
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I live on THE cut through street in my neighborhood. Everytime SLC puts speed bumps on any street in the area, the traffic, speed, and danger on our street increases. We’ve all petitioned multiple times to have a speed study on our street multiple times, over the course of between 15 and 20 years now, but it has not happened. I joking tell my wife that is because if they put speed bumps on our street, traffic will cease moving anywhere and we’ll have complete gridlock.
I grew up listening to a myriad of stories of my young father in the early part of his career as a police officer (when he was driving a motorcycle and doing traffic enforcement) talking about how important it was to have cops on the street, as speed traps in critical places train people to obey the laws. It’s a lot easier to move motorcycle cops around to where the problems are than invest A LOT money in the speed bumps, which disrupt traffic for everyone including the people obeying the laws.
Get off my lawn!
Edit to apologize for the attitude 
I’m very tired and worked very hard the last few days to finish a critical task that, thankfully, I just managed to complete 
When I utter the phrase, “Get Off My Lawn”, it’s usually with a smile and poking fun at myself for being that old guy who doesn’t want to see the world change. But, this topic is a pet peeve of mine and I shouldn’t have commented here but posted it in the appropriate thread. And, I should never post anywhere, when I’m this tired :).
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Great Movie !!!
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@salUTE, you aren’t coming across negative in any way. It’s an ongoing discussion about people, not knowing how to respect other people’s homes and neighborhoods. I don’t quite understand how speed bumps would make people speed up though. A person traveling 20 mph who doesn’t see a speed bump won’t incur damage on their car, but going 30mph will. I agree a well placed motorcycle cop can write a dozen reasonable tickets during peak commuting hours. I mean, pinching someone for going 50 mph in a 25 mph zone is probably a well deserved, hefty fine.
Thanks to your dad for being an LEO. When I was still a teenager working on my local Fire Department, I saw the damage of children being hit and old people being T-boned backing out of their driveways. Because of that, I’ve been driving like an “old man” since I was 17 years old. I’m sure I have PTSD from the sound of the parents and neighbors screaming at the site, of a grievously injured child.
We love you, and you have a right to express your thoughts about matters of civil engineering and our community anytime.
Yesterday, I fixed our drip system and threw about 3 yards of loam. When I woke up this morning, I felt like I’d been beaten with a hose. Getting old is not for the young…
FWIW, saw these speed bumps in Lake Tahoe, and they definitely get your attention. Yet, they just get pulled across the road and are easily removed without having to drop thousands of dollars into building them as a permanent structures. Seems like a reasonable way to place them in problem areas until people figure it out.
Be well!
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Everyone hates the photocops but there is strong evidence that if the tickets are enforced, people slow down, have fewer accidents, and consequently fewer injuries and fatalities. The city governments like getting the additional revenue.
It draws a lot of complaints from the speeders though- they hate them. Given that nearly everyone goes faster than the speed limit, lots of people complain about them.
If you want people to actually slow down- it is hard find something more effective than the photocop. It can give a ticket to literally every single car if every car is speeding.
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Yep. Once you have seen the damage and horror in real life, you never view driving the same way.
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The average car today has better engineering than the best Mercedes 40 years ago. Back in the day, it didn’t feel safe to go over 80mph-or even 80 mph for that matter… Now it seems everyone goes 10-20 mph over whatever speed limit. wherever/whenever.
It still comes down to physics: the easiest way to avoid a collision is to 1. Lower your speed. 2. Pay attention and situational awareness / No distractions (including mind alteration/texting/internet use) while driving and 3. Avoid driving through neighborhoods unless you live there or visiting someone else who does.
Pretty simple really
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I live in a ghetto in Ogden. Nobody better get uppity around here!!!
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You’re either too patient and kind, or the bad attitude I felt on the topic at the time of my post was sufficiently disguised, either way thanks for your nice comment.
Yes, it’s not obvious. And it’s only apparent to me as a result of watching actual cause and effect for 3 plus decades in the same location. It works this way:
- Older neighborhoods in SLC are designed with largely grid style roadways, with regular major streets in intervals of about 1/2 mile, (i.e. South Temple, 4th South, 8th South, 13th South, 13th East, 15th East, etc.)
- People have been encouraged, historically, to drive the major streets whenever they will suffice and only drive the streets in between, when a route necessitates it. And historically these major streets had street lights at major intersections, stop signs slowing traffic on intersecting roads, and multiple lanes in each direction, etc. all designed to move traffic along.
- Recently, as some of these major streets have been narrowed to one lane in each direction, had more stops signs, 4 ways stops, traffic lights, added on minor intersecting roads, speed bumps, narrowed intersections, islands at intersections, etc. people do what people are inclined to do, and find a new path of least resistance. That path of least resistance is to turn onto a side street and drive unencumbered until the next major street.
- Where I live, 5 of the 6 major streets have experienced some level of each of these changes slowing progress on the major streets. It now takes a LOT longer to drive anywhere in my neighborhood, independent of the increased level of traffic, than it did decades ago when I moved here.
- The result, every year, has been an increase in traffic down my little personal neighborhood street. And as my neighborhood has fewer grid alternatives, happenstance has dictated that we have people using our street as the shortcut for busy E-W and busy N-S streets. It is now a very dangerous street to live on. If I were raising children on the street, I would NOT let them out, unobserved, in the front yard.
It’s a perfect example of unintended consequences. And it would never have been in any way obvious to me, except that over the decades, I’ve literally watched my quiet little street turning into a race track for people who cannot stand the delays everywhere else.
And now for the good news. Ironically, my little street happens to be among the narrowest of streets in the neighborhood. It is also a neighborhood developed in the 1920s, so what little off street parking originally put in place was limited to 1 small garage per property, MAX. Not many have expanded to multiple car garages or off street parking and as homes now tend to have more vehicles per person, the street is becoming extremely crowded with parked vehicles.
My wife laments how easy it used to be to drive up and down our street when we first moved here until I remind here that all those parked cars deter the high speed/shortcut traffic.
Finally, I’ve never seen, but LOVE the relocatable (I assume either metal or rigid plastic) speed bumps you’ve seen in Lake Tahoe. THIS is a wonderful idea! 4 of the 5 major streets in our neighborhood have either permanent speed bumps or other expensive, permanent “traffic calming” additions. In each case, these were added as a result of a child being killed by traffic on the street. As others have mentioned in this thread, that is unacceptable. However, I suggest that intensive retraining/restraining, either by police officers running radar and radar reminders on speed signs (my preferred solution) or possible installation of moveable speed bumps until traffic is retrained, are both better solutions that permanent impediments to progress that simply shift the danger to smaller, narrower, neighborhood streets.
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That’s what I find most striking. How much time are people actually saving? 20 seconds. Maybe a minute? When did we become a society that can’t stop looking at our screens-even while we are during a ~4,00lb vehicle at speed in a neighborhood? When did we become so selfish an uncaring that we don’t care what the impact is of a quiet neighborhood becoming an on-ramp/cut-through?
Just yesterday I found out one of my colleagues mom was killed a month ago in SC crossing the street going to church. She was also with her daughter and grand-daughter. Could have been all three. She was a brilliant and caring emergency Nurse Practitioner. A lovely person, now gone. I now know of two colleagues whose families are forever ripped apart due to being run over in a cross walk!!
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I got on my son HARD as he is learning to drive and he turned right while someone was in the cross-walk. Albeit, they were still on the other side of the road approaching us, but I ripped into him with the heat of 1000 suns that a few seconds of his time will NEVER be worth as much as a human life or even scaring someone. We have become a ‘me first’ society and with our car culture, it’s crazy how a few seconds of ‘delay’ causes road rage and despicable behavior. Just hold your horses people and when you drive aggressively, I’ll see you at the next light.
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