I hope justice is served, whichever way that is.
âFactually innocentâ sounds like âtechnically correctâ. 
Regardless, I hope justice is served.
When an attorney says something like thatâŚ
You hate to see things like this, but whatever the process brings forward I hope itâs the truth.
If true, I hope the officer that encouraged her not to report gets named.
Same here.
That was the phrase that confused me. I have a couple of friends that are public defenders and when they talk about stuff they use really weird phrases like that which I have interpreted as âtheyâre guilty but Iâm defending them soâŚyeahâ.
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Sexual assault cases are some of the hardest cases to investigate and prosecute, for a myriad of reasons. I can imagine theyâre even harder to prosecute in Utah County.
Having taken dozens of reports I feel for the survivors of these cases.
I believe itâs entirely possible the officer wasnât asking her not to report it, but rather saying if she wonât give the name to police try a civil lawsuit.
Itâs very common to be called to take a sexual assault report by a hospital and to not have the survivor willing to provide information. The trauma cycle for survivors is difficult.
Interesting indeed. Not the news out of Provo I had hoped to read. To add a bit of levity to a serious situation, I had hope that the news was that BYU was shutting down. Then I thought better of it, because we donât need their fans as ours. Yes, bad levity.
As @SkinyUte pointed out, I hope that justice is served. This type of crap makes my innards flip, and makes my blood boil.
The phrase âfactually innocentâ suggests to me that there was consensual sex but not sexual assault.
Thatâs what makes me think too. And not to victim blame, as this totally could be a yes, then no or anything else, but one loophole of getting in trouble with the honor code is to position it differently after the fact due to regret, guilt, and worry of getting kicked out of school. That sound really awful as I type it and again, I think any case should be tried on facts.
For him, however, if it was consensual or non-consensual, it still breaks honor code. So, we will see if they actually do anything or if he gets the athlete treatment or if by being public they have to go the Brandon Doman route.
Plenty of athletes have been thrown out for honor code violations (Reno Mahe, Ronnie Jenkins, Spencer Hadley, Brandon Davies to name some), but some have not.
If it turns out the guy did break the HC, the fact it happened at the end of the 2023 season would mean he played the whole 2024 season when he shouldnât have.
They changed the rules a few years ago⌠Now for pre and extramarital sex theyâre supposed to tell their ecclesiastical leaders who âdeal with itâ instead of having the honor code office give a punishment. If the allegations arenât true and there WAS consensual sex, iâm sure Retzlaff told his Rabbi who promptly alerted the HCO 
It will be interesting to see what BYU does (hopefully there was no rape) if there were consensual sex - Normally it would stay private but since itâs so public you would think they would do something
Mmmm Iâm guessing the âconsensualâ part is very much in question. Factual can mean not proven otherwise. Iâd say let it play out.
This really puts TDS in a tough spot. They did the right thing by not saying too much and starting their own internal investigation. Technically, they donât need to do anything. They can just sit this until it actually goes to trial which wonât be until 2026 at the latest. But they should do an honor code violation investigation, in which Retzlaff will get caught. The question is how do they handle this? The softest they can be is to suspend him for 3 games. The hardest is to kick him off the team completely and jeopardize their entire 2025 season. I bet you see them go the suspended game route. If Retzlaff is guilty of sexual assault the guy needs to go to prison and his football career should be over.
Do they do those anymore? It seems like 15 or 20 years ago byu was suspending several athletes every year, for HC violations. I havenât heard of anyone being suspended in quite a few years now. I guess once this one went public, it might force their hands.
They changed the rules a few years ago - making all HC stuff âprivateâ but also putting extra-marital consensual sex in the hands of ecclesiastical leaders. So, if one has sex out of wedlock at byu theyâre supposed to tell their endorser (In Retzlaffâs case a Rabbi) who is then supposed to deal out whatever âpunishmentâ and they only tell the HC office if they feel so inclined.
In that caseâŚmozel tov!