I’m going to go our on a limb here. Happy to be wrong in fact I’d be delighted. I’m going to venture that before the end of the month or by the first week of April, the US closes all of its international airports. Is that Draconian enough?
Just ask cooterboard which essential oil will cure the virus and they’ll love you.
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And what do you think average age of the passengers was on the Diamond Princess cruise ship? Answer: they are virtually all retirees. Millennials aren’t going on cruises.
Impact on the third world will likely be the most severe, if everything assumed to be true is being correctly interpreted thus far. Less organization, less resources (i.e. medicine & facilities), and generally more people per square foot in urban areas.
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Did you read my entire post? There were lots of crew members among the Coronavirus victims, and on cruises they tend to be young people.
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What is it about percentages that get people confused.
“Oooo, the flu kills tens of thousands more people.”
“Yeah, but the amount of people infected vs those who die to the flu are .02%. Coronavirus is killing about 2% infected.”
“Pfft, we don’t know how many people really have Coronavirus.”
“K, then just compare confirmed flu (ie doctor visit numbers) death rates to coronavirus. It’s still ten times worse.”
“But they take from teh (SP intentional) flu numbers.”
“That…that’s not how percentages work.”
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Don’t need to read your entire post because you were speculating and you were wrong.
Fact: There were A total of 7 deaths on board the Diamond Princess and none of those occurred in passengers under 70.
Are you confusing cases with victims (victims being those who died)? Certainly appears so, because I highly doubt there was a single crew member over 70. Face it, you were speculating with your claims of victims amongst the crew. Please stick to facts and stop fanning the panic with false claims.
Hm.
Okay, then.
I’m not understanding your repeated attacks on what ExquisUte wrote. What am I missing that you see?
I have his original pertinent quote inserted above. He clearly and unambiguously established that those seven deaths came from passengers who were over 70 in age. He also clearly established that some crew members were among those infected.
His point, as I read it, was that those infected “had a pretty good spread of age groups.” He did not say those infected came from every age group. So if you want to be precise, be precise. Unless you specifically have the demographic data on the cruise, I don’t see how you can assert that essentially all of the passengers were Boomers or whatever with no Millennials. A buddy of mine got his cruise to the Caribbean cancelled last week. He and his wife are in their 40s. Believe it or not, folks in their 30s and 40s go on cruises.
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For whatever it is worth.
The demographic data is in the research article I posted; obviously you did not read it. Average age of passengers on the cruise was 58. 58% of the passengers were over 60. Passengers 70-79 comprised the largest single age group, followed by 60-69. Yes there were some in the 30s to 40s, and yes there were cases spread across all age groups. But the poster used the term victims, which implies deaths and there were no victims below the age of 70.
If you calculated the Princess Diamond death rate versus cases, both symptomatic and asymptomatic, it was in the 3% range, but as noted it was an age skewed population and all the deaths were above age 70, so you still have to impute a death rate for a normal population dispersion. Notably, there were no deaths amongst crew, which was a totally false claim made here.
I decided last Friday to basically leave you all to your own devices on this stuff because a lot of the back and forth here was making me ill. As a result, I have not read much if anything that anyone has posted in the last 3 days. So forgive me if I’m behind the curve, but since so many here seem completely obsessed with this thing, is it possible that we can all agree on this:
"During these trying times, it is critically important that we exhibit the key American Spirit of pulling together and each doing our part to help each other, the community, and our Country.
While it is true that the risk to relatively young and otherwise healthy individuals is low, the risk to elderly and people with underlying health issues is VERY high . It is also true that the virus is HIGHLY contagious . Therefore, it is up to each citizen to try to limit the spread so that our hospitals are not overwhelmed with vulnerable citizens in need of intensive care and mechanical ventilation resulting in needless deaths resulting from lack of resources. This threat is real and is precisely what we see happening in Italy today. Many of us have loved ones that may be at risk, so let’s all do our part."
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My wife who is a teacher made an excellent observation that Wisconsin schools kept the doors open today and yesterday with all the kids doing what kids do and spreading their germs everywhere. As of tomorrow, schools are closed. And where do you think a great number of those kids who have two working parents are going?
To the Grandparents… what a great plan!!!
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Thank you for that detail. I may have read the article, one of like a 100 I’ve read over the last few weeks. I did not remember it.
Could be semantics, but does a death means the same as a victim to you, and from another perspective, so is one who is infected. They too are a victim of the virus. To be accurate, ExquisUte used the term “afflicted”. Perhaps the right way to see this is infected versus death among that sub-group.
victim |ˈviktəm|
noun
a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action.
afflict |əˈflikt|
verb [with object]
(of a problem or illness) cause pain or suffering to…
You wrote: “Notably, there were no deaths amongst crew, which was a totally false claim made here.” The negative in part one and false claim in part two of your sentence are linked so that it reads to me that “no deaths among the crew was a totally false claim.” Confusing as hell.
Still, I did not see where ExquisUte claimed that a crew member died, if that was your point. Did I miss that? And if in fact he did not say a crew member died, just that they were victims of CorVid19, what is false about that?
I will add this: ExquisUte used the deaths on the Princess example to get to a mortality rate. The fact that the demographics may be skewed means that whatever number was calculated would be in error if applied to a broad population of all demographics. But he did come up with about 1%. I have modeled 0.7%. Numbers shown above in today’s posts are 1.4%. You just posted 3% for the ship example. My hope is that the number comes down towards 0.2%.
I just want one particular individual to stop attacking another over stupid stuff. I don’t like to see bullying here. And it was bullying.
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This.
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Actually, I was just defending myself from sniping, unsupported comments, essentially attacks. I fought back with facts and the response to that was “it was bullying.” Well we know who the snowflakes are.